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The_Hyena_King, April 16th, 2015, 10:42 pm     Reply


There's a contradiction already.

Why could The Hizrim use that portal?

AlmostAware, April 17th, 2015, 8:49 am     Reply

@The_Hyena_King: Means one of a few things.


Hope this doesn't spoil anything plot-wise, but our Mage campaign was very abyss-heavy.

1. It wasn't Hizrim who cast the spell, but in fact Asia who cast it, with Hizrim's "assistance". Though an Akemoth can't cast its own supernal magic, they CAN boost the power of someone else's magic by corrupting it, especially in ways that result in increasing damage/destruction. (My character had an an abyssal-given ability to spend mana to make supernal spell damage Aggrevated, and decrease the chance of it paradoxing... at the cost of it being addictive and pouring power/mana into the abyss. Didn't end up using that one, due to knowing about the addiction in advance, but saw others using it, and was shown the book it was from.)

Important note on this one: If entity A sufficiently controls the mind of entity B, (and entity B still exists) then entity A can force entity B to cast spells. This suggests Asia is still in there, and can be saved.

2. That may not have actually been Supernal magic at all... Spirit numina can look similar to all sorts of spells. (abyssal entities are generally a form of spirit) Since we do not yet know the details of what numina Hizrim has at full-strength after absorbing a Mage... this may suggest Asia is beyond saving.

3. Mages historically know very little about the Abyss, and that information that exists tends to be EXTREMELY well guarded, due to people like the Guardians of the Veil not wanting it to get into the hands of people who would use it for the "other side". Intentionally making deals with the abyss, summoning abyssal entities, using abyssal magic, is grounds for a death sentence in many parts of the world. With that much secrecy, there is a very real possibility that the book didn't have enough information, and/or is WRONG. This shows what the people think Pactins are. This doesn't mean that is what Pactins REALLY are. As a result... maybe it CAN continue to use Asia's powers after it for most intents and purposes has killed her. Maybe it just needs to save certain pieces, just not the pesky parts like personality or memory.

ChibiSilverWings, April 17th, 2015, 10:05 am     Reply

@AlmostAware: Dropping some very good knowledge and thoughts in this reply AA! Even connecting in the ideas about spirits! Seriously glad to see you bringing these things up. You'll have to wait and see if you're right or what you're right about, because we are going to have some slightly non-standard stuff in our setting, but I will say I'm glad you're thinking about all these things and sharing with the class! They're all very good things to think about.

Also haha yay for Abyssal-heavy campaigns! It seems like a lot of people don't put TOO much focus on it, which is kinda a shame! There's a lot of fun concepts to play with in Mage, though, so I get it if for other people they don't spend a lot of time on it.

ChibiSilverWings, April 17th, 2015, 10:06 am     Reply

@ChibiSilverWings: Also on a more general note, I apologize to all for the giant text dump on this page, I hope it was interesting more than it was cumbersome. We sorta had to grapple with the limitation of wanting to share a lot of info at once. We will try to make sure block of text info dumps like this aren't regular occurrences.

epicarp (Guest), April 17th, 2015, 4:52 pm     Reply

@ChibiSilverWings: To be honest, I think the text dump was handled pretty well. You captured our interest for the subject first, which is the most important thing to do before doing a text dump. Also, you managed to give us the right amount of information, just enough to allow us to be informed but leaving a few unanswered questions as well.

So in other words, you guys handled the text dump perfectly.

ChibiSilverWings, April 17th, 2015, 5:16 pm     Reply

@epicarp: Thanks! I had hoped it would leave you guys with plenty to think about and it seems to have, which is great! I'm sure there will be some things that are text heavy in future, but I think being conservative with them is the key :)

burningtyger, April 16th, 2015, 11:18 pm     Reply

@The_Hyena_King: It wasn't a portal, it was a weak point in the structure of reality. A hole if you will, but a suspiciously well--placed one. Also if I read correctly in Stage 4 the pactin begins to absorb the host's memories, among other things.

Guest, April 17th, 2015, 8:29 am     Reply

They should save her quickly.

burningtyger, April 22nd, 2015, 9:39 pm     Reply

Didn't realize this had more than one page.